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RE: Rules not working in new study

Hello Pam,

When you reuse rules for different studies you have to be extra-careful with OIDs. Are you using the same rule expression OID for two different expressions? If so, i think you won’t get an error screen, but you might overwrite the previous expression. It might be worth it to try using a different OID, if you don’t mind having the same expression repeated for different studies.

I also had that error screen when uploading twice before, the first time because one of my expressions was too long, as it used the totality of the items in a not-short-enough CRF, try checking if there are any length constraints any of your rules/expressions/assignments/messages are violating.
The second time it was an enconding issue. Since i’m not english, and neither are our users, all the messages were in spanish. This gave errors when we had any accents or symbols in a message. If you are using any special character try adding a header like this one to your xml file (assuming you’re not already using it): <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> This enconding should work for american english as well, but it’s intended to cover most western europe special characters.

I hope this helps.


De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de [email protected]
Enviado el: miércoles, 26 de mayo de 2010 23:35
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: [Users] Rules not working in new study

Hi,

I have created a number of rules for a study and have tested them and they are working. When I reused the forms in a different study, I tried to reuse the rules, only changing the Event OID, but when I attempt to upload the new rule, I am getting the “An Error has Occurred” error screen. I have tried changing the rule name, I have tested the target and rule expression and it has passed, and I have checked my work and cannot find anything that should prevent it’s upload.

Is this a bug?

Thanks,

Pam

Pamela Marples
Medical Informatics Specialist
Clinical Research Informatics Core
University of Alberta
1047 Research Transition Facility (RTF)
8308-114 Street
Edmonton, Alberta
T6G 2V2

Tel: (780) 407-6443
Email: [email protected]




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  • mvirtosumvirtosu Posts: 276 ✭✭
    Hello,

    In addition to what Carols Manuel said about message lengths and special characters, I would also like to add that the system returns a generic error screen if the same rule OID is used twice. As far as I know, rule OIDs are meant to be unique, and that may be even across studies (not sure about this one though, I would appreciate if someone could clarify).

    Mihai
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:44 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Hello Pam,

    When you reuse rules for different studies you have to be extra-careful with OIDs. Are you using the same rule expression OID for two different expressions? If so, i think you won’t get an error screen, but you might overwrite the previous expression. It might be worth it to try using a different OID, if you don’t mind having the same expression repeated for different studies.

    I also had that error screen when uploading twice before, the first time because one of my expressions was too long, as it used the totality of the items in a not-short-enough CRF, try checking if there are any length constraints any of your rules/expressions/assignments/messages are violating.
    The second time it was an enconding issue. Since i’m not english, and neither are our users, all the messages were in spanish. This gave errors when we had any accents or symbols in a message. If you are using any special character try adding a header like this one to your xml file (assuming you’re not already using it): <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> This enconding should work for american english as well, but it’s intended to cover most western europe special characters.

    I hope this helps.


    De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de [email protected]
    Enviado el: miércoles, 26 de mayo de 2010 23:35
    Para: [email protected]clinica.org
    Asunto: [Users] Rules not working in new study

    Hi,

    I have created a number of rules for a study and have tested them and they are working. When I reused the forms in a different study, I tried to reuse the rules, only changing the Event OID, but when I attempt to upload the new rule, I am getting the “An Error has Occurred” error screen. I have tried changing the rule name, I have tested the target and rule expression and it has passed, and I have checked my work and cannot find anything that should prevent it’s upload.

    Is this a bug?

    Thanks,

    Pam

    Pamela Marples
    Medical Informatics Specialist
    Clinical Research Informatics Core
    University of Alberta
    1047 Research Transition Facility (RTF)
    8308-114 Street
    Edmonton, Alberta
    T6G 2V2

    Tel: (780) 407-6443
    Email: [email protected]




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  • pmarplespmarples Posts: 10
    Thanks everyone,

    But I even tried changing the rule name and it didn’t work. It’s not the characters, because it worked for the same form on the previous study.


    Pam

    Pamela Marples
    Medical Informatics Specialist
    Email: [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:42 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Hello,

    In addition to what Carols Manuel said about message lengths and special characters, I would also like to add that the system returns a generic error screen if the same rule OID is used twice. As far as I know, rule OIDs are meant to be unique, and that may be even across studies (not sure about this one though, I would appreciate if someone could clarify).

    Mihai
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:44 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Hello Pam,

    When you reuse rules for different studies you have to be extra-careful with OIDs. Are you using the same rule expression OID for two different expressions? If so, i think you won’t get an error screen, but you might overwrite the previous expression. It might be worth it to try using a different OID, if you don’t mind having the same expression repeated for different studies.

    I also had that error screen when uploading twice before, the first time because one of my expressions was too long, as it used the totality of the items in a not-short-enough CRF, try checking if there are any length constraints any of your rules/expressions/assignments/messages are violating.
    The second time it was an enconding issue. Since i’m not english, and neither are our users, all the messages were in spanish. This gave errors when we had any accents or symbols in a message. If you are using any special character try adding a header like this one to your xml file (assuming you’re not already using it): <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> This enconding should work for american english as well, but it’s intended to cover most western europe special characters.

    I hope this helps.


    De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de [email protected]
    Enviado el: miércoles, 26 de mayo de 2010 23:35
    Para: [email protected]
    Asunto: [Users] Rules not working in new study

    Hi,

    I have created a number of rules for a study and have tested them and they are working. When I reused the forms in a different study, I tried to reuse the rules, only changing the Event OID, but when I attempt to upload the new rule, I am getting the “An Error has Occurred” error screen. I have tried changing the rule name, I have tested the target and rule expression and it has passed, and I have checked my work and cannot find anything that should prevent it’s upload.

    Is this a bug?

    Thanks,

    Pam

    Pamela Marples
    Medical Informatics Specialist
    Clinical Research Informatics Core
    University of Alberta
    1047 Research Transition Facility (RTF)
    8308-114 Street
    Edmonton, Alberta
    T6G 2V2

    Tel: (780) 407-6443
    Email: [email protected]




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  • kristiakkristiak Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Have you checked all the OID’s in you new study. Even one deviation would cause the error message.

    Regards

    Krister
    Sent: 28 May 2010 17:38
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Thanks everyone,

    But I even tried changing the rule name and it didn’t work. It’s not the characters, because it worked for the same form on the previous study.


    Pam

    Pamela Marples
    Medical Informatics Specialist
    Email: [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:42 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Hello,

    In addition to what Carols Manuel said about message lengths and special characters, I would also like to add that the system returns a generic error screen if the same rule OID is used twice. As far as I know, rule OIDs are meant to be unique, and that may be even across studies (not sure about this one though, I would appreciate if someone could clarify).

    Mihai
    Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:44 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [Users] RE: Rules not working in new study

    Hello Pam,

    When you reuse rules for different studies you have to be extra-careful with OIDs. Are you using the same rule expression OID for two different expressions? If so, i think you won’t get an error screen, but you might overwrite the previous expression. It might be worth it to try using a different OID, if you don’t mind having the same expression repeated for different studies.

    I also had that error screen when uploading twice before, the first time because one of my expressions was too long, as it used the totality of the items in a not-short-enough CRF, try checking if there are any length constraints any of your rules/expressions/assignments/messages are violating.
    The second time it was an enconding issue. Since i’m not english, and neither are our users, all the messages were in spanish. This gave errors when we had any accents or symbols in a message. If you are using any special character try adding a header like this one to your xml file (assuming you’re not already using it): <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> This enconding should work for american english as well, but it’s intended to cover most western europe special characters.

    I hope this helps.


    De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de [email protected]
    Enviado el: miércoles, 26 de mayo de 2010 23:35
    Para: [email protected]
    Asunto: [Users] Rules not working in new study

    Hi,

    I have created a number of rules for a study and have tested them and they are working. When I reused the forms in a different study, I tried to reuse the rules, only changing the Event OID, but when I attempt to upload the new rule, I am getting the “An Error has Occurred” error screen. I have tried changing the rule name, I have tested the target and rule expression and it has passed, and I have checked my work and cannot find anything that should prevent it’s upload.

    Is this a bug?

    Thanks,

    Pam

    Pamela Marples
    Medical Informatics Specialist
    Clinical Research Informatics Core
    University of Alberta
    1047 Research Transition Facility (RTF)
    8308-114 Street
    Edmonton, Alberta
    T6G 2V2

    Tel: (780) 407-6443
    Email: [email protected]




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